Most of the time, the conversation around climate chaos is narrowly focused on carbon  emissions, to the exclusion of land use as a major factor whose effects are at least equal if not greater. Both the mainstream corporate media and independent/activist media commit this same lapse. This is due in part to the fact that proposed policy around carbon emissions can be neatly folded into the appetites of industry, whether Capitalist or Socialist, without interrupting business-as-usual. Capitalist profits are not threatened by carbon trading. Socialist “development” can continue unabated with new energy infrastructure. Ecocide, however, marches on with both, and that’s what’s left out of the popular narrative as it’s currently told.

In this interview with biologist Nikos Giannakis, Nikki Hill and I delve into these topics and more.

Paid subscribers to my Substack and my Patreon will have early access to the full, unedited interchange (2 hours and 12 minutes in length) on Sept. 9th.

The edited public version, at 1 hour and 25 minutes, will be dropped on Sept. 16.

Here’s a six-minute teaser!

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